Sponsor |  anitab | Aug 23, 2007 12:46am | The block feature is very useful when you dont want certain stumblers to contact you. It also stops you from seeing their posts in forums (which can can make conversations in forums rather confusing).
My feature requests:
Would it not be possible to block certain stumblers from seeing your page?
I understand that they will be able to see your page when signed out of stumble anyway (only if you're G-rated?). However, it would be nice if you have some control over your content and who gets to see it. It would also help with alleged "stalking", which is becoming a huge issue right now.
Otherwise, would it be possible that you can't see the pages of stumblers that you have blocked? There is usually a good reason for blocking someone, and I don't want to see that page again. However, it does happen that the page comes up in stumbling.
In general, I would like the block feature to be more detailed, with more options.
Ideas, thoughts?? |
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Sponsor | | CastorQuinn | Aug 23, 2007 12:55am | Would it not be possible to block certain stumblers from seeing your page?
I understand that they will be able to see your page when signed out of stumble anyway (only if you're G-rated?). However, it will help if you have some control over your content and who gets to see it.
I think that's antithetical to the nature of SU. Ignore is to allow you to ignore someone. Using it to prevent other people from seeing you ... I'm not sure what the point of that would be.
I agree though that blocking someone should prevent their page from appearing as a stumble. However, in teh short term, thumbing someone down will prevent them appearing as a stumble - SU won't feed you pages you've already thumbed. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Aug 23, 2007 1:11am | edited #1: it would help with stalking issues...
and negative back and forth reviews and a lot of unnecessary nastiness.
perhaps if you can't see the offending page, the heated exchanges can be cooled, and we wont get endless feuds between stumblers.
although SU started as quite small with a lovely community spirit, there are many new stumblers that have no idea of the "culture" of SU. perhaps more should be done to advertise what is good stumbling, and what SU is really all about. but, in the mean time.. the good guys need some protection.
about thumbing down: granted, it probably wont show up when you stumble ("where stumbling is the action of pressing the stumble button"), but sometimes you land up on the site via other links. also, if it is a new stumbler, you don't want to thumb them up and then go back to thumb down. |
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Sponsor | | CastorQuinn | Aug 23, 2007 3:01am | Yeah ... Some of my friends are big on this whole stalking issue, so I'm reluctant to chip in and risk getting into an argument that I really don't want to be a part of, but I'll give my two cents and then be done with it:
Someone looking at your page isn't stalking, not in any sense of the word. Your SU pages are public - their entire purpose is to be public sharing of your reviews of pages you have shared with teh community. If a member of that community comes and looks at the public reviews you have made available, that's not stalking - the information you post is public, so it's not like you're giving away private details of your life, and you can't even say that their visits create a threatening presence hovering around you, since if you block them you can't even see that they are there.
So if they are only seeing your public content, and you aren't even aware they have visited - what exactly does cutting them off from your stumbles achieve? If they're no danger to you, and you aren't aware of them, what cause is there to prevent them seeing that you think the new Paris Hilton fansite is lacking in content but the pictures are nice?
Having a feature to allow you to prevent someone bothering you, that's good and fair enough. But stopping someone from engaging in their own use of the SU service in a way that doesn't impact on you at all - I'd have to say I oppose that. If you don't like me and decide to block me, fair enough, but that shouldn't prevent me using your stumbles to inform mine if I happen to like your content and your stumbles. Blocking me from messaging you only effects you; blocking me from accessing your thumbs and reviews, however, impacts on and limits my ability to use SU - so that's not okay, not when what I'm doing doesn't impact on you in anyway. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Aug 23, 2007 3:59am | it doesn't need to be an argument.. just a discussion of ideas! :)
"Someone looking at your page isn't stalking, not in any sense of the word."
i agree.
BUT... someone looking at your page, commenting on it or on you personally, letting their friends know about it and letting them "attack" you, or even posting about it in forums, or posting it on external pages outside of SU (!), is just not right.
and, apparently or allegedly.. this is what is happening.
yes, action is taken... but sometimes the damage is already done and the whole thing is unnecessary to begin with.
although it hasn't affected me personally, i do see the effects on other stumblers. and, overall, it is upsetting and disturbing.
"blocking me from accessing your thumbs and reviews, however, impacts on and limits my ability to use SU"
how so?? you don't need to see the stumblers page. you can stumble through the topics that you're interested in.
"not when what I'm doing doesn't impact on you in anyway."
well, that is the point. if you have done something to hurt or offend me, i don't want to let you have access my pages. why should i continue to allow you into my space, if you're going to keep abusing it??
although SU is public, each stumbler's page is individual and everyone treats that as "their" space.
i am thinking of instances where women (mainly) are pestered by unwanted male PM's, or spammers that use your interests to send you links, or.. the ppl that use your thoughts, ideas, images to negatively review you, or follow you into other forums etc etc...
yes, it is a dangerous world out there, and we all need to be responsible for the information that we put out there. i just wish we could be given a bit more protection. |
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Sponsor | | CastorQuinn | Aug 23, 2007 5:03am | Unfortunately this is the internet, so when you put up a public page with your content on it there has to be some degree of acceptance that you are inviting people to look at you.
Blocking someone from viewing your page isn't going to stop them sending their friends, or alts, if that's happening. In fact all it would do is encourage the propogation of alts to circumvent a block.
If a woman is sent a PM by a man expressing interest (in a social network? Shock horror!), in what way would stopping someone seeing your stumbles remedy this? Spammers strike once and then are gone - blocking them after the fact won't help.
Not seeing your page actually does impact on my ability to use the service. Not everyone gets all their information from the stumble button. For my part, two thirds of all the pages I have thumbed did not come from hitting the stumble button - the majority came from visiting people's pages, reading their comments and finding good sites that way. That is, after all, the whole purpose behind the SU profile pages: precisely so that people can do just that. That's why I personally am uncomfortable with anything that limits people's abilities to see stumbler pages.
If your concern is people who send friends to harass, or alts, or post things off-site, then blocking page access won't help with any of that, and in some ways it will make it worse.
That's my opinion. It's not an argument, it's just that my opinion differs to you. Tossing around ideas is great, but remember you did start this discussion in the features forum, so you're asking for this to be implemented. So expect some degree of discussion where people explain why they don't want to see this implemented. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Aug 23, 2007 6:50am | "If a woman is sent a PM by a man expressing interest (in a social network? Shock horror!)"
your concern is touching.
there is a social aspect to SU. and you can decide to use the features to meet people (friends or otherwise). however, some people are here for "websurfing" ie not necc here to make friends.
i am talking about unwanted, offensive attention.
(and yes, i know you can allow just friends and the tops to msg you. but sometimes you meet new ppl via the forums, who's pages you don't necc want to subscribe to, ie "friend")
and yes, AFTER the fact it is not helpful... but it does feel like you have some power and control. making people feel unwelcome and uncomfortable on here helps no one.
"That's my opinion. It's not an argument, it's just that my opinion differs to you. "
um.. yeah i get that. and i do want a discussion... i was (jokingly) responding to the first line in post #4. note :)
and this is being discussed informally elsewhere. but i wanted to see whether it is possible to implement it. |
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Sponsor | | disconcision | Aug 23, 2007 8:05am | This is inane. This is not a discussion. A discussion has two sides.
Even if I acknowledge 'cyber-stalking' as a distinct phenomenon, begging a response separate and specific from the recourses already afforded to you under the law, we are still left without constructive suggestions.
What do you want us to do? What do you want SU to do? You admit that your suggestion of locking down your profile page is naive; it can always be viewed externally.
I hate to draw dichotomies, but it seems there are only two options here: We retain our current openness and the basic anti-griefer tech, or we lock down content availability to your local social network, e.g. Facebook.
As CQ pointed out, such a lockdown would practically ruin SU for its oldest and most active users, those who tend to profile-browse. They might as well just shut the fucker down entirely if, indeed, the danger is as great as you would have us believe.
If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest the following procedure:
1) Anonymize & separately document any incidents or series thereof in which you feel your rights, as you understand them, have been infringed.
2) Collect similar incident reports for other affected individuals.
3) Acting as a representative agent for those individuals, post the collected report to the forums.
4) Forum participants will, I'm sure, be more then happy to analyze the report and see if any clear trends stick out as being amenable to technological or social solutions.
Otherwise all of this is just noise. |
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Sponsor | | anitab | Aug 23, 2007 8:19am | noise? inane?? sheesh.
ok. "no" would have sufficed as an answer.
you said fucker. so, i'll add: fuckit nevermind then.
lock and hide. |
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| | | baesparza | Aug 23, 2007 3:43pm | | I am against anything that inhibits or censors, no matter how painful. No system is perfect. This is a public place and by being here you "subscribe" to the rules. |
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